Where is the real God?

[Uncle Vic]

Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
(PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:

> "Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
> news:ksqao21tanckvdi7fuul14u2dtjdsq97qc@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:34:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
>> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> There you go, justifying the lusts of the flesh, no matter what
>>> they
>>>are, like if it feels good, do it.
>>
>> You know Frank, you are the only person I ever met, who could twist
>> the golden
>> rule to mean, "If it feels good, do it"
>>
> Are we seeing you, an avowed and militant atheist defending, if
> not
> advocating Christ's Golden Rule?

What is "Christ's Golden Rule"? Do unto the righteous before you get
burned forever?

>>
>>> Do you really think tasting all the
>>>goodies life has to offer is a worthwhile purpose for living?
>>
>> It is a good start, and an honest one, if nothing else.
>>
> Thanks for admitting that! It's like filling up on desert and
> expecting
> a healthy and long life.
>

No it isn't. Like everything, there is a time and a place. Our view is
not to limit yourself because some religious nutter told you it is
immoral. This life is all there is. It's the only chance you get.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page

 

[Bill M]

James is a closed minded religious bigot who will not accept any evidence
that refutes his beliefs.

"Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote in message
news:1166464058.337102.293960@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> James wrote:
>> To categorically state that "ALL" religions are wrong, is like stating
>> that all doctors are quacks because some real quacks exist.
>
> Hello James:
> Since there is no proof for anything specific to any religion(prove all
> things), one cannot categorically state anything about religion.
>>
>> For those who have studied the Bible with an open mind have found that
>> the "one faith" religion the Bible talks about, does appear to be the
>> real one. (Eph 4:5)
>
> I suggest that those who have studied the bible with an open mind, have
> not found anything about religion which appears to be real(prove all
> things).
>>
>> The Bible seems to have knowledge that is beyond human knowledge, such
>> as correctly stating the earth floating in space etc. (more on that if
>> you wish) It also gives prophecies so accurate, that critics have no
>> recourse but for some to claim that the prophecies were given after
>> the event(s) occurred.
>>
>> Yes, a real true religion does appear to exist. Why not take some time
>> and investigate it. That is what the Bible wants you do to. 1 Th 5:21,
>>
>> "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
>>
>> Sincerely, James
>
> I have an open mind James, so maybe you could "prove" the things that
> you believe about the bible, for me. I realize that nothing in the
> bible can literally be proven, but I will accept "plausable" as a
> reasonable substitute for proof.
>

 

[Dubh Ghall]

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:25:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
>news:se4bo25d6e3co20p1kc59so576aengbs02@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:10:07 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> What about people who call them selves xtians, but deny what the bible
>>>>>> says?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Those are Satan's minions, for they MUST lie.
>>>>
>>>> So you now admit to being one of Satan's minions, as well as an atheist.
>>>> Well you can't be both, Frank, so; Which is it?
>>>>
>>> You are going over the edge Puck.
>>
>> Hardly, Frank; By your own definition, you are one of Satan's minions.
>> You deny that huge chunks of the bible, are "God's Word".
>>
> I deny those parts of Judaism which contradict Christ.

So what makes you think that the bits about Jesus, are any more true than the
stuff you deny?

> But you deny the entire Bible.

True, but then, I'm not pretending to be a xtian.


>I can assure you, that Satan has reserved nice hot spot in
>hell for those who do that.
>

Which hell is it that you are consigning us to this week Frank?
Is it the one with the gnashing teeth, or the one with the boiling brimstone?

Is it a real hell, or just a philosophical one?


>> You claim to be able to tell which bits are, and which bits ain't, "God's
>> Word"
>> You lie constantly.
>> That alone, makes you one of Satan's minions.
>> Then you deny the existence of your god, calling it merely a nice idea, an
>> ideal.
>> You say that Jesus is your "God Incarnate", but deny that there is any god
>> to be
>> incarnated, only an ideal, and/or an emotion, specifically "love".
>> Worse and worse.
>>
> Accusations sans evidence again Puck?

Your posting history is all the evidence that is required.

I note again, that you don't actually address anything that is said, nor do you
deny the, so called, accusations.

 

[Dubh Ghall]

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:29:03 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
>news:ak5bo2drcrcsp7o5lbhe8njv6bmotab2ue@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:52:41 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Xns98989B6A4BBB5vicman@66.75.164.120...
>>>> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
>>>> (PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
>>>>> "Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
>> snip
>>>>
>>>> To bad it's nothing but a pipe dream.
>>>>
>>> Are you a pessimist, as well as an atheist? Or are you a pessimist
>>>BECAUSE your are an atheist?
>>
>> There is a new Frank type definition, (a frankinition?)
>> Pessimist adj.
>> Someone who does not share Frank's pipe dream.
>>
> Ad hominem?

No Frank, it was not TO you, it was ABOUT you.


>You seem to be stuck in the screeching mode lately.


I'm surprised that you can hear, over your own whining.

 

[Dubh Ghall]

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:16:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
>news:ksqao21tanckvdi7fuul14u2dtjdsq97qc@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:34:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There you go, justifying the lusts of the flesh, no matter what they
>>>are, like if it feels good, do it.
>>
>> You know Frank, you are the only person I ever met, who could twist the
>> golden
>> rule to mean, "If it feels good, do it"
>>
> Are we seeing you, an avowed and militant atheist defending, if not
>advocating Christ's Golden Rule?

The golden rule is found in writings, much older than your NT.
Fact is, your Jesus stole it.

But once more, I note that you do not deny your action.

>>
>>> Do you really think tasting all the
>>>goodies life has to offer is a worthwhile purpose for living?
>>
>> It is a good start, and an honest one, if nothing else.
>>
> Thanks for admitting that!

I have never denied it, Frank.

It is you that makes up all those sillies, as if you think they will have some
meaning for us.

Be assured, beyond confirming what we already know to be true about you, they
have no meaning.



>It's like filling up on desert and expecting a healthy and long life.

Life's like that, Frank; When neither kitchen nor cook, are to be found, you
eat what's available.

 

[Dubh Ghall]

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:20:48 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:

>Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
>(PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
>
>> Ad hominem? You seem to be stuck in the screeching mode lately. Calm
>> down, and behold Christ in all His glory, and you too will be saved.
>
>Now there's an ad-hom.


He just doesn't seem to have any sense of the ironic; does he?

 

[Pastor Frank]

"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns989D6B1CCB637vicman@66.75.164.120...
> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
> (PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
>> "Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
>> news:ksqao21tanckvdi7fuul14u2dtjdsq97qc@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:34:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
>>> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There you go, justifying the lusts of the flesh, no matter what
>>>> they
>>>>are, like if it feels good, do it.
>>>
>>> You know Frank, you are the only person I ever met, who could twist
>>> the golden
>>> rule to mean, "If it feels good, do it"
>>>
>> Are we seeing you, an avowed and militant atheist defending, if
>> not
>> advocating Christ's Golden Rule?
>
> What is "Christ's Golden Rule"? Do unto the righteous before you get
> burned forever?
>>>
>>>> Do you really think tasting all the
>>>>goodies life has to offer is a worthwhile purpose for living?
>>>
>>> It is a good start, and an honest one, if nothing else.
>>>
>> Thanks for admitting that! It's like filling up on desert and
>> expecting a healthy and long life.
>
> No it isn't. Like everything, there is a time and a place. Our view is
> not to limit yourself because some religious nutter told you it is
> immoral. This life is all there is. It's the only chance you get.
> --
> Uncle Vic
> aa Atheist #2011
> Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
> chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
> Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
>
"The only chance to you get" to do what to whom without moral nor
ethical restrictions? Are you a pervert?



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[Pastor Frank]

"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:rmodo2peondotg172h0ig6gm77fo1f5pdt@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:25:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
> wrote:
>>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
>>news:se4bo25d6e3co20p1kc59so576aengbs02@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 08:10:07 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> What about people who call them selves xtians, but deny what the
>>>>>>> bible
>>>>>>> says?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are Satan's minions, for they MUST lie.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you now admit to being one of Satan's minions, as well as an
>>>>> atheist.
>>>>> Well you can't be both, Frank, so; Which is it?
>>>>
>>>> You are going over the edge Puck.
>>>
>>> Hardly, Frank; By your own definition, you are one of Satan's minions.
>>> You deny that huge chunks of the bible, are "God's Word".
>>
>> I deny those parts of Judaism which contradict Christ.
>
> So what makes you think that the bits about Jesus, are any more true than
> the
> stuff you deny?
>
That's a matter of belief and faith, Puck and a choice we make in faith
of Him who loved us enough to die for us to propitiate our sins.

>> But you deny the entire Bible.
>
> True, but then, I'm not pretending to be a xtian.
>
But then you pretend to be an atheists, though your values are
plagiarized from Christ.
>
>>I can assure you, that Satan has reserved nice hot spot in
>>hell for those who do that.
>
> Which hell is it that you are consigning us to this week Frank?
> Is it the one with the gnashing teeth, or the one with the boiling
> brimstone?
> Is it a real hell, or just a philosophical one?
>
What is "real" compared to what is "philosophical"? Hell is what feels
like hell to you, and that same place could feel like heaven to us.
>
>>> You claim to be able to tell which bits are, and which bits ain't,
>>> "God's
>>> Word"
>>> You lie constantly.
>>> That alone, makes you one of Satan's minions.
>>> Then you deny the existence of your god, calling it merely a nice idea,
>>> an
>>> ideal.
>>> You say that Jesus is your "God Incarnate", but deny that there is any
>>> god
>>> to be
>>> incarnated, only an ideal, and/or an emotion, specifically "love".
>>> Worse and worse.
>>>
>> Accusations sans evidence again Puck?
>
> Your posting history is all the evidence that is required.
>
> I note again, that you don't actually address anything that is said, nor
> do you
> deny the, so called, accusations.



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[Pastor Frank]

"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:sipdo2dbnf347t2bm880qc4f982dgegntv@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:16:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
> wrote:
>>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
>>news:ksqao21tanckvdi7fuul14u2dtjdsq97qc@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:34:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There you go, justifying the lusts of the flesh, no matter what they
>>>>are, like if it feels good, do it.
>>>
>>> You know Frank, you are the only person I ever met, who could twist the
>>> golden
>>> rule to mean, "If it feels good, do it"
>>
>> Are we seeing you, an avowed and militant atheist defending, if not
>>advocating Christ's Golden Rule?
>
> The golden rule is found in writings, much older than your NT.
> Fact is, your Jesus stole it.
>
> But once more, I note that you do not deny your action.
>
>>>
>>>> Do you really think tasting all the
>>>>goodies life has to offer is a worthwhile purpose for living?
>>>
>>> It is a good start, and an honest one, if nothing else.
>>
>> Thanks for admitting that!
>
> I have never denied it, Frank.
> It is you that makes up all those sillies, as if you think they will have
> some
> meaning for us.
> Be assured, beyond confirming what we already know to be true about you,
> they
> have no meaning.
>
>>It's like filling up on desert and expecting a healthy and long life.
>
> Life's like that, Frank; When neither kitchen nor cook, are to be found,
> you
> eat what's available.
>
You are a grazer then, without principles and do what comes natural and
feels good, a Hedonist? We would rather restrict our freedom to do unto
others, so that other may have some freedom to do the same unto us.



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[Dubh Ghall]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:41:51 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>> Life's like that, Frank; When neither kitchen nor cook, are to be found,
>> you
>> eat what's available.
>>
> You are a grazer then,

An omnivore, with strong predatory tendencies.

> without principles

By your standards, no, but by the standards of honorable people, I have many.


>and do what comes natural and
>feels good, a Hedonist?

Yes, I am a Hedonist.

Jealous?


>We would rather restrict our freedom to do unto
>others, so that other may have some freedom to do the same unto us.


So when are you going to start?

 

[Puma]

James wrote:
> >"Puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com>
> >Re: Where is the real God?
>
> >Bill M wrote:
> >> There are close to a thousand different God beliefs. Millions of people base
> >> their lives on their different God beliefs.
> >
> >> If there is any real God that created the Universe and everything in it, why
> >> does he not
> >
> >> announce directly from his heaven that he is the REAL God and all the others
> >> are fakes?
> >
> >> We're waiting!
> >
> >Hi Bill,
> >
> >First of all what GOD is should be known....
> >
> >God is the explanation of the existence...If you look at God from a
> >religious point,,,you can not find GOD...Because all of the religions
> >monopolises God in their way...And all of them are wrong!!! because
> >all of them are human made...
> >
> >God can not be belonged to any religion....God is only an explanation
> >of our existence.
> >
> >Thats it...
> >
> >Puma
>
> Hello,
>
> To categorically state that "ALL" religions are wrong, is like stating
> that all doctors are quacks because some real quacks exist.
>
> For those who have studied the Bible with an open mind have found that
> the "one faith" religion the Bible talks about, does appear to be the
> real one. (Eph 4:5)
>
> The Bible seems to have knowledge that is beyond human knowledge, such
> as correctly stating the earth floating in space etc. (more on that if
> you wish) It also gives prophecies so accurate, that critics have no
> recourse but for some to claim that the prophecies were given after
> the event(s) occurred.
>
> Yes, a real true religion does appear to exist. Why not take some time
> and investigate it. That is what the Bible wants you do to. 1 Th 5:21,
>
> "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (KJV)
>
> Sincerely, James
>
>
>
> Want a FREE home Bible study?
> Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
> Go to the authorized source:
> http://www.watchtower.org
>
Dear James,

Doctors and religions are far away from each other. But all the
religions are same...

Because they have no place to the MIND and LOGIC.

How can you belive that GOD has a son...This is the fundamental lie
within the Christianity. And no need to count others... I have read all
of them.... Why do not read BAHAI FAITH yourself!!! And learn many
things from it....


With compassion,

Puma

 

[Dubh Ghall]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:32:40 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>>>> Hardly, Frank; By your own definition, you are one of Satan's minions.
>>>> You deny that huge chunks of the bible, are "God's Word".
>>>
>>> I deny those parts of Judaism which contradict Christ.
>>
>> So what makes you think that the bits about Jesus, are any more true than
>> the
>> stuff you deny?
>>
> That's a matter of belief and faith, Puck and a choice we make in faith
>of Him who loved us enough to die for us to propitiate our sins.

So it is wishful thinking, and warm fuzzies, then.

About what I figured,

>
>>> But you deny the entire Bible.
>>
>> True, but then, I'm not pretending to be a xtian.
>>
> But then you pretend to be an atheists, though your values are
>plagiarized from Christ.

No Frank. Your phylosophicalidealonastick, is not the source of morality, mine
or anyone else's.
In fact it aint a source of morality, at all, and you are a perfect example of
that.
Morality was around long before your godonastick was ever dreamed up.

Morality comes from within, not from without.

>>
>>>I can assure you, that Satan has reserved nice hot spot in
>>>hell for those who do that.
>>
>> Which hell is it that you are consigning us to this week Frank?
>> Is it the one with the gnashing teeth, or the one with the boiling
>> brimstone?
>> Is it a real hell, or just a philosophical one?
>>
> What is "real" compared to what is "philosophical"? Hell is what feels
>like hell to you, and that same place could feel like heaven to us.

Strangely, that is not what the bible says, hut you obviously know better than
the bible.

.... You must do, you dismiss so much of it as false.

 

[Enkidu]

"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:4589c9a4$0$15431$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:

> That's a matter of belief and faith, Puck and a choice we make in
> faith of Him who loved us enough to die for us to propitiate
> our sins.

Who? Jesus? Wasn't He one aspect of God? So God sent Himself to die to
pay for the sins agianst Himself by man who He created so that He
wouldn't have to punish man for violating His rules. Wouldn't it have
been easier and more merciful to simply forgive?

--
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http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
-- Carl Sagan

 

[Pastor Frank]

"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:78jio2drgv6l6bnnudrcp9809o8qmvrkhk@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:41:51 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
> wrote:
>
>>> Life's like that, Frank; When neither kitchen nor cook, are to be
>>> found,
>>> you eat what's available.
>>
>> You are a grazer then,
>
> An omnivore, with strong predatory tendencies.
>
>> without principles
>
> By your standards, no, but by the standards of honorable people, I have
> many.
>
"honorable people" by whose standards? I bet they are honourable by your
very own self-invented personal and private standards.
>
>>and do what comes natural and feels good, a Hedonist?
>
> Yes, I am a Hedonist.
>
> Jealous?
>
>>We would rather restrict our freedom to do unto
>>others, so that other may have some freedom to do the same unto us.
>
> So when are you going to start?
>
I certainly don't take the freedom you do, just what feels good, with
predatory Hedonistic tendencies at that and appropriate atheist superiority
complex. See below
You have no life, Pug. Submit to Jesus and live.

Pastor Frank

"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:3uhio2t06jvt5spuprn2jgme9ksd4n0ktl@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:40:02 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>> Are you harbouring
>>illusions of superiority?
>
> It ain't an illusion, Frank.



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[Uncle Vic]

Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
(PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:

> "Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns989D6B1CCB637vicman@66.75.164.120...
>> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
>> (PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
>>> "Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
>>> news:ksqao21tanckvdi7fuul14u2dtjdsq97qc@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:34:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
>>>> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There you go, justifying the lusts of the flesh, no matter what
>>>>> they
>>>>>are, like if it feels good, do it.
>>>>
>>>> You know Frank, you are the only person I ever met, who could twist
>>>> the golden
>>>> rule to mean, "If it feels good, do it"
>>>>
>>> Are we seeing you, an avowed and militant atheist defending, if
>>> not
>>> advocating Christ's Golden Rule?
>>
>> What is "Christ's Golden Rule"? Do unto the righteous before you get
>> burned forever?
>>>>
>>>>> Do you really think tasting all the
>>>>>goodies life has to offer is a worthwhile purpose for living?
>>>>
>>>> It is a good start, and an honest one, if nothing else.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for admitting that! It's like filling up on desert and
>>> expecting a healthy and long life.
>>
>> No it isn't. Like everything, there is a time and a place. Our view
>> is not to limit yourself because some religious nutter told you it is
>> immoral. This life is all there is. It's the only chance you get.

>>
> "The only chance to you get" to do what to whom without moral nor
> ethical restrictions? Are you a pervert?
>

You can have wild kinky sex without being a pervert, Frank. Unless your
idea of a pervert is someone who does it with the lights on.


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aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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[Pastor Frank]

"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98A06A719FEBBvicman@66.250.146.128...
> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
> (PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
>>
>> "The only chance to you get" to do what to whom without moral nor
>> ethical restrictions? Are you a pervert?
>
> You can have wild kinky sex without being a pervert, Frank. Unless your
> idea of a pervert is someone who does it with the lights on.
>
There you go, changing the definition of perversion to something
justifiable if not acceptable, but it's not What Jesus Would Do. We
Christians prefer to do ONLY what Jesus would do. Sexual practices are ONLY
for a man and his only wife, and they can be "kinky" as they care to. All
other sexual practice is sin.



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[Pastor Frank]

"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns989FC0D8684E8255229@130.133.1.4...
> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> news:4589c9a4$0$15431$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
>>
>> That's a matter of belief and faith, Puck and a choice we make in
>> faith of Him who loved us enough to die for us to propitiate
>> our sins.
>
> Who? Jesus? Wasn't He one aspect of God? So God sent Himself to die to
> pay for the sins agianst Himself by man who He created so that He
> wouldn't have to punish man for violating His rules. Wouldn't it have
> been easier and more merciful to simply forgive?
>
Yes. Most atheists can't imagine a father whose love for his children is
so great, that he is willing to take the punishment for the transgressions
of his children on himself.



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[Uncle Vic]

Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
(PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:

> "Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns98A06A719FEBBvicman@66.250.146.128...
>> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
>> (PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
>>>
>>> "The only chance to you get" to do what to whom without moral
>>> nor
>>> ethical restrictions? Are you a pervert?
>>
>> You can have wild kinky sex without being a pervert, Frank. Unless
>> your idea of a pervert is someone who does it with the lights on.
>>
> There you go, changing the definition of perversion to something
> justifiable if not acceptable, but it's not What Jesus Would Do.

How do you know that?

> We
> Christians prefer to do ONLY what Jesus would do.

And how do you know what that is?

> Sexual practices are
> ONLY for a man and his only wife, and they can be "kinky" as they care
> to. All other sexual practice is sin.

Are you trying to tell me you have never masturbated?
Bwaaaahahahahaha! Liar.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page

 

[Enkidu]

"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:458c103e$0$15496$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:

> "Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns989FC0D8684E8255229@130.133.1.4...
>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
>> news:4589c9a4$0$15431$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
>>>
>>> That's a matter of belief and faith, Puck and a choice we make in
>>> faith of Him who loved us enough to die for us to propitiate
>>> our sins.
>>
>> Who? Jesus? Wasn't He one aspect of God? So God sent Himself to
>> die to pay for the sins agianst Himself by man who He created so that
>> He wouldn't have to punish man for violating His rules. Wouldn't it
>> have been easier and more merciful to simply forgive?
>>
> Yes. Most atheists can't imagine a father whose love for his
> children is
> so great, that he is willing to take the punishment for the
> transgressions of his children on himself.

I would throw myself in front of a bus to knock my children clear of
danger. I would not kill or otherwise punish myself so that I could
forgive my children for violating rules I myself laid down, rules I knew
in advance they could not help but violate. Then again, I'm not a
merciful, loving, omni-irrational God.

--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

I sit alone on the rock of my own individuality, with the waves of
superstition and religious tyranny surging around me."
-Josephine K. Henry

 

[Enkidu]

"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:458c1019$0$15496$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:

> "Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns98A06A719FEBBvicman@66.250.146.128...
>> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
>> (PF@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
>>>
>>> "The only chance to you get" to do what to whom without moral
>>> nor ethical restrictions? Are you a pervert?
>>
>> You can have wild kinky sex without being a pervert, Frank. Unless
>> your idea of a pervert is someone who does it with the lights on.
>>
> There you go, changing the definition of perversion to something
> justifiable if not acceptable, but it's not What Jesus Would Do. We
> Christians prefer to do ONLY what Jesus would do. Sexual practices are
> ONLY for a man and his only wife, and they can be "kinky" as they care
> to. All other sexual practice is sin.

If Christians prefer to do "ONLY what Jesus would do", then Jesus had sex
or Christians should follow the Shakers into oblivion.

On another note, where did you get the idea that Christ prescribed only
one wife per husband? Where did you get the idea the that sex outside of
marriage is prohibited? The Bible is full of it, condoned, even
commanded by God.

--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

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