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Captain Compassion

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On 9 Nov 2006 11:54:25 -0800, "simple_language@yahoo.com"
<simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19225776.100&print=true
>
>My comment: encouraged by the success of the Christian
>fundamentalists, other rabid fanatics will establish
>schools teaching their favorite form of ignorance and
>hatred.


California already has. It's called the public school system.


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simple_language@yahoo.com

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source: http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/

The US really is a country of contradictions: on the one hand, it has
the greatest number of Nobel Prize winning scientists and represents
all that is cutting-edge and exciting in scientific endeavour and
achievement.

On the other hand, this most powerful and advanced nation on earth
represents the most backward and medieval ideologies that would not
look out of place in an isolated goat-herding community somewhere in
Borat's Kazakhstan. The statistics are amusing and familiar: the
number of Americans that have seen UFOs and believe they were put on
earth by aliens is legendary.

More sinister, however is a particular breed of anti-science that is
surely and insidiously being fed to the US's young minds. While the
midterms ousted Ohio's Deborah Owens Fink, a prominent critic of
evolution on the state board of education, in favour of a candidate
backed by the pro-evolution group Help Ohio Public Education, other
states weren't so lucky. In Kansas, for example, two proponents of
intelligent design held onto their seats on the state's education
board - many now fear that when the new board convenes in January it
will overturn the anti-evolution standards adopted earlier.

But while the scientifically-minded fight for evolution to be taught in
public schools, a sneaky backdoor route into Creationist indoctrination
may be being overlooked. Parents across the States are removing their
children from government schools because of the lack of religious
emphasis there, in favour of homeschooling. Many of the parents, who
often have neither teaching nor scientific background, receive training
and textbooks from Christian organisations that promote "intelligent
design".

I have a couple of these books on my desk right now. At first, I
assumed it was a fairly amusing joke that someone was playing on me.
Surely, nobody in the 21st century would seriously use this rubbish, I
thought naively. The truth is horrifying. To deliberately lie to
children like this is tantamount to child-abuse and bodes ill for the
future of the nation.

Also worrying, is the fact that evangelical homeschoolers
proportionally took a phenomenal percentage of internships at the White
House in 2004 - what does this say about future government science
policy?
 
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Al Klein

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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:59:48 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:

>On 9 Nov 2006 11:54:25 -0800, "simple_language@yahoo.com"
><simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:


>>http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19225776.100&print=true


>>My comment: encouraged by the success of the Christian
>>fundamentalists, other rabid fanatics will establish
>>schools teaching their favorite form of ignorance and
>>hatred.


>California already has. It's called the public school system.


If you're right, you're evidently one of their products. If you're
wrong, you're evidently not one of their products.
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leo

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MP ha escrito:

> "Many studies over the last few years have established the academic
> excellence of homeschooled children." -
> http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp


What is the meaning of academic excellence? You mean that the average
home schooled is far better than the average unmotivated brutish
student of the public schools?

Now I can see the signs written in the wall about fall of the American
Empire into the garbage heap of History. The next beacon of
Enlightment will be carried perhaps by the Far East nations of the
world.

What a pity I feel for America. All my life admiring the United States
for its achievements in Science and Technology and now threating to
become a lair of retarded fanatical morons.
Leo
 
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Bert Hyman

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simple_language@yahoo.com (simple_language@yahoo.com) wrote in
news:1163108315.200631.279580@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> MP wrote:
>> "Many studies over the last few years have established the
>> academic excellence of homeschooled children." -
>> http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp

>
> This is the web page of the Home School Legal Defense Association.
> They are guilty of turning American children into zombies.


As compared to the US public school system, which is merely guilty of
turning American children into zombies.

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DeserTBoB

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On 9 Nov 2006 13:15:36 -0800, "MP" <m_p@rocketmail.com> wrote:

>"Many studies over the last few years have established the academic
>excellence of homeschooled children." -
>http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp <snip>


Another ultra right wing lie. Home schooled children routinely test
lower in proficiency and have social adjustment problems galore. The
"cirricula" supply by right winger-run home schooling "supply houses"
are usually beow minimum quality requirements for public education use
and have a decided political "spin" that far outweighs any perceived
reverse "spin" in approved materials.
 
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MP

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DeserTBoB wrote:
> On 9 Nov 2006 13:15:36 -0800, "MP" <m_p@rocketmail.com> wrote:


> >"Many studies over the last few years have established the academic
> >excellence of homeschooled children." -
> >http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp <snip>

>
> Another ultra right wing lie. Home schooled children routinely test
> lower in proficiency and have social adjustment problems galore.


I've provided a link to my evidence. Where's yours?
 
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MarkA

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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:54:25 -0800, simple_language@yahoo.com wrote:

> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19225776.100&print=true
>
> My comment: encouraged by the success of the Christian fundamentalists,
> other rabid fanatics will establish schools teaching their favorite form
> of ignorance and hatred.


FFRF had a good podcast recently by Michelle Goldberg, talking about the
rise of Christian Nationalism. Home schooling was one of the issues she
addressed. She described how the CNs have developed a 'parallel reality',
that includes the belief that the founders of the USA wanted to create a
Christian Nation, Creationism, etc. Homeschooling allows them to insulate
their children from the secular worldview. Now, Universities exist that
allow them to get advanced degrees without ever coming into prolonged
contact with the real world. The scary part is that these people get
internships in the White House at a rate much higher than secular
University students.

I am so glad we have a split government again.

--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
 
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Al Klein

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On 9 Nov 2006 13:49:26 -0800, "MP" <m_p@rocketmail.com> wrote:

>simple_language@yahoo.com wrote:
>> MP wrote:

>
>> > "Many studies over the last few years have established the academic
>> > excellence of homeschooled children." -
>> > http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp

>>
>> This is the web page of the Home School Legal Defense Association.

>
>But it cites a large number of independent studies.


How many of them were commissioned by the Home School Legal Defense
Association?
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DeserTBoB wrote:
> On 9 Nov 2006 13:15:36 -0800, "MP" <m_p@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Many studies over the last few years have established the academic
> >excellence of homeschooled children." -
> >http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp <snip>

>
> Another ultra right wing lie. Home schooled children routinely test
> lower in proficiency and have social adjustment problems galore. The
> "cirricula" supply by right winger-run home schooling "supply houses"
> are usually beow minimum quality requirements for public education use
> and have a decided political "spin" that far outweighs any perceived
> reverse "spin" in approved materials.




I didn't see you provide any cite to backup your assertion!
 
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robw

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How is that?


"Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98769F94FBB5CVeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1...
> simple_language@yahoo.com (simple_language@yahoo.com) wrote in
> news:1163108315.200631.279580@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > MP wrote:
> >> "Many studies over the last few years have established the
> >> academic excellence of homeschooled children." -
> >> http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp

> >
> > This is the web page of the Home School Legal Defense Association.
> > They are guilty of turning American children into zombies.

>
> As compared to the US public school system, which is merely guilty of
> turning American children into zombies.
>
> --
> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com
 
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B1ackwater

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"simple_language@yahoo.com" <simple_language@yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19225776.100&print=true
>
>My comment: encouraged by the success of the Christian
>fundamentalists, other rabid fanatics will establish
>schools teaching their favorite form of ignorance and
>hatred.


Well, start establishing schools that teach YOUR favorite
forms of ignorance and hatred ...

Nobody ever said that private schools HAD to be far-right
you know. They can be far-LEFT also - or anything in between.
 
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simple_language@yahoo.com

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MarkA wrote:

> FFRF had a good podcast recently by Michelle Goldberg, talking about the
> rise of Christian Nationalism. Home schooling was one of the issues she
> addressed. She described how the CNs have developed a 'parallel reality',
> that includes the belief that the founders of the USA wanted to create a
> Christian Nation, Creationism, etc. Homeschooling allows them to insulate
> their children from the secular worldview. Now, Universities exist that
> allow them to get advanced degrees without ever coming into prolonged
> contact with the real world. The scary part is that these people get
> internships in the White House at a rate much higher than secular
> University students.
>
> I am so glad we have a split government again.



source: http://tinyurl.com/y6vfrx (New York Times)

Defying predictions of widespread disillusionment, white evangelical
and born-again Christians did not desert Republican Congressional
candidates and they did not stay home, nationwide exit polls show.

When it came to turnout, white evangelicals and born-again Christians
made up about 24 percent of those who voted, compared with 23 percent
in the 2004 election. And 70 percent of those white evangelical and
born-again Christians voted for Republican Congressional candidates
nationally, also little changed from the 72 percent who voted for such
candidates in 2004.
 
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Bill Bonde ('Anyone for tennis, wo

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"simple_language@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> source: http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/
>
> The US really is a country of contradictions: on the one hand, it has
> the greatest number of Nobel Prize winning scientists and represents
> all that is cutting-edge and exciting in scientific endeavour and
> achievement.
>
> On the other hand, this most powerful and advanced nation on earth
> represents the most backward and medieval ideologies that would not
> look out of place in an isolated goat-herding community somewhere in
> Borat's Kazakhstan. The statistics are amusing and familiar: the
> number of Americans that have seen UFOs and believe they were put on
> earth by aliens is legendary.
>

Oh, really? So perhaps you should indict the entire English speaking
world:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=415514&in_page_id=1770
#begin quote
UFO sightings and alien visitors tend to be solely the reserve of sci-fi
movies.

So when a former MoD chief warns that the country could be attacked by
extraterrestrials at any time, you may be forgiven for feeling a little
alarmed.

During his time as head of the Ministry of Defence UFO project, Nick
Pope was persuaded into believing that other lifeforms may visit Earth
and, more specifically, Britain.
#end quote




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Bill Bonde ('Anyone for tennis, wo

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Bert Hyman wrote:
>
> simple_language@yahoo.com (simple_language@yahoo.com) wrote in
> news:1163108315.200631.279580@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > MP wrote:
> >> "Many studies over the last few years have established the
> >> academic excellence of homeschooled children." -
> >> http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp

> >
> > This is the web page of the Home School Legal Defense Association.
> > They are guilty of turning American children into zombies.

>
> As compared to the US public school system, which is merely guilty of
> turning American children into zombies.
>

Maybe they should send them to a public-private partnership school run
by zombies. That will make them well-adjusted normal folks who believe
correct stuff and disbelieve incorrect stuff.


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did" type--conversation which, though fascinating to those who are
engaged in it, neither desires nor deserves the attention of others.
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